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Postby johnno56 » July 1st, 2009, 8:24 pm

Occasionally I tinker with HTML and a tiny bit of flash in the hopes of creating my own website.

Have any of you created your own site, and if so, what applications did you use? (Linux or Windows)

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Re: Web Design

Postby Obsidian » July 1st, 2009, 8:43 pm

I use Notepad++ for design, for the small things, however I mainly use PDT (PHP Development Tools, an IDE built on Eclipse) and Subclipse.

Mostly, I stick to phpBB as it's a rather stable and secure codebase.

(My website's in my profile, btw.)
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Re: Web Design

Postby Dannyboi » July 1st, 2009, 10:02 pm

i actually made a website its easy just use the website design sites :D doesnt give you asm uch options but its a good start

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Re: Web Design

Postby Mic_The_Forth » July 2nd, 2009, 3:17 pm

Yeah... I have done small sites from pure code before... But if you want things exactly how you want them give the Dreamweaver MX trial a go... If you want something totally free... But screws up the code a little go for PageBreeze
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Re: Web Design

Postby Obsidian » July 2nd, 2009, 8:33 pm

Mic_The_Forth wrote:Yeah... I have done small sites from pure code before... But if you want things exactly how you want them give the Dreamweaver MX trial a go... If you want something totally free... But screws up the code a little go for PageBreeze


Actually, I do not recommend Dreamweaver MX. It's quite difficult to use compared to most other IDE's that I've used, and I have encountered issues in the past with getting it to save files with the proper encoding (UTF-8 without BOM...is it so much to ask for?)
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Re: Web Design

Postby johnno56 » July 3rd, 2009, 1:11 am

Thanks guys,

Dreamweaver CS, I have tried and found it to be ok. A few too many "bells and whistles" to learn. Pagebreeze and PHP, I know nothing about.

My OS is Ubuntu Linux (Debian based) and have tried most of the editors found in the repositories. ie: Bluefish, Screem etc. Dreamweaver ran via Wine without a glitch. I have even tried the basic text editor. I have tried the "no code required" type packages. I have even tried Flash 8. Bit of a steep learning curve, but did an ok job.

I would like to create a website quickly and easily without too much fuss. I am curious as to which apps were used by you guys.

Any info would be appreciated.

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Re: Web Design

Postby Obsidian » July 3rd, 2009, 8:50 am

This is a screenshot of the program I use for Web development...mind you, I code in PHP.
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Re: Web Design

Postby johnno56 » July 4th, 2009, 6:07 am

Obsidian,

Thanks for replying. PHP looks like a cross between VB and cubescript. How long have you been using PHP for and what else do you use it for? What is the learning curve like?

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Re: Web Design

Postby Obsidian » July 4th, 2009, 8:16 am

johnno56 wrote:Obsidian,

Thanks for replying. PHP looks like a cross between VB and cubescript. How long have you been using PHP for and what else do you use it for? What is the learning curve like?

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Actually, it's more based off of C++, as the PHP parser is written in that language. It's not .NET based, so I don't know where you're getting the similarity to VB from. ;)

I've been using it for nearly 2 years now.

As for the learning curve, it depends on what other languages you know. If you're proficient in C-based languages, then it's a heck of a lot easier. If you're used to .NET languages, it's harder.
As it was my first true programming language (Visual Basic 6 doesn't count), it took me about a year to become proficient.
It took another six months to really get into the advanced sections of PHP.

This is also because I learned PHP through the phpBB programming community. There are a lot of different things stressed there, such as code portability (if it can't work on most systems, you need to rewrite) and security (preventing XSS, CSRF, SQL injects).
A lot of programmers say that PHP is insecure. This is somewhat true..PHP provides a lot of opportunities for the programs to be written in an insecure fashion, and it used to have some things that would cause vulnerabilities (register_globals being one, from PHP4...it's disabled by default in PHP5 and removed entirely in PHP6). However, it's always the developer's responsibility to write their programs to be secure.

What PHP is used for? Primarily web development as a server-side programming language, but it also has other minor uses. There's some forks of PHP that allow it to have a GUI (I think it's the QT GUI, might be GTK, can't remember), and right now I'm constructing an IRC Bot using only PHP (with a later version using an SQLite database)
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Re: Web Design

Postby johnno56 » July 5th, 2009, 8:55 am

Wow. That's a lot of experience! You obviously have a lot more patience than I do.

The comment about VB was in reference to the "look". A friend of mine designed a Help Desk program using VB5. Your code "looked" familiar.

I had always wanted to get into programming but never really followed through or did not have the time. Hmmm. Food for thought.

Thanks for the info on PHP. Your efforts are appreciated by THIS noobie.

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